Hello from Phase One (Capture One Pro and Express for Sony)

[Guest all8]

Part of the problem seems to be that Capture One writes EXIF in version 2.2 (2003) rather than 2.3 (2010 which Sony uses in the RAW file) which might explain why some EXIF metadata is lost when exporting.

 

Part of the problem seems to be that Capture One moves some EXIF items to the XMP, which downstream applications can't find.

 

Part of the problem is that Capture One discards whole sections of Metadata, in particular the MakerNotes.

 

Using Exiftool is a good way to see what is happening. And, with a little effort, Exiftool can be used to restore the Metadata by copying it from the RAW file to the exported file. If you really need to fix the problem then learning Exiftool will do the job.

[Wesley]

What features are unavailable on the free version compared to Sony Pro?

And Sony Pro to regular Pro besides camera compatibility.

[Guest all8]

Sony Pro only works with Sony RAW, JPG are OK.

 

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One-for-Sony/Upgrade-options-for-Sony.aspx?

 

Has a link to a detailed comparison, a PDF.

[Wesley]

Sony Pro only works with Sony RAW, JPG are OK.

 

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One-for-Sony/Upgrade-options-for-Sony.aspx?

 

Has a link to a detailed comparison, a PDF.

 

Okay this helps, thanks.

 

 

David: Typo on that page under Local Adjustments.

 

"Work directly on the RAW file to ensure maximum quality and detail retention and save time by making all adjustments in ome application."

[SimonT]

Sticking with Lens Focal length for the moment... If I export a TIF from Capture One, It is possible to read the Lens Model and Focal Length.

 

I just exported a shot taken with a 24-70 lens. Lens model is shown and the fact that it was captured at 70mm.  Viewing File info in Photoshop from an exported TIFF file.

 

What am I missing here?

Long reply:

That might be because Photoshop (which I do not use) is able to find the Focal Length. However, if you do a before and after edit comparison with the Exiftool which member timde mentions above, you will find that the Focal Length data field has been moved. Other programs will be looking for the Focal Length data field in the correct place and cannot find it.

 

Some programs or tools are even capable of repairing this erroneous relocation in a more efficient way than a manual manipulation on a single image basis as Exiftool allows (which might only suit forensic specialists, but few photographers).

 

However, the moment that Capture One changes the content in the "ExifVersion" data field, those tools cannot do an automatic and fast repair of the hundreds of images that you have just edited. Because of this changed "ExifVersion" data, some programs are unable to repair the problem caused when Capture One moved the meta data from one location to another.

 

Incidentally, "pyexiftoolgui" offers an easy user interface and makes Exiftool slight less geeky

 

Short reply:

Please do not delete the maker notes and please do not update the ExifVersion field.

 

[David Grover]

Okay this helps, thanks.

 

 

David: Typo on that page under Local Adjustments.

 

"Work directly on the RAW file to ensure maximum quality and detail retention and save time by making all adjustments in ome application."

 

Thanks.. I will fix it.  

[peterbkk]

Hi David et al,

 

I am quite interested in exploring Capture One for its quality results with Sony ARW files out of my new A7Rii.

 

As a long time LightRoom user for images captured by my Hasselblad H4D, I'm thinking about what LR features I use that are important to me and how I might be able to do something similar in C1.

 

One important plug-in that I use often in LR is called LR/Mogrify2. It places borders and text and images around exported images. You can see an example of how I use it here to automatically put a 3-tier border and signature around a JPEG exported from LR: http://www.peterwalker.com/Image1.html Once I got it right and saved it to as an export preset, it just works without any intervention.

 

Is there any way I could do something similar, either within C1, as a plugin or even as an external application (Mac OSX)?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

Peter

http://www.peterwalker.com

[free_tibett]

Hello David,

 

appreciate your webinars very much!

 

Your Local Adjustments webinar indeed conviced me to buy the pro version

A very perfect piece of software!

Thank you and your team for the hard work!!

 

What does not work at the moment is the Photoshop stitching plug-in with CS 5.1 (German language) @ OSX.

There is some script relating error and unfortunately I'm not able to edit it by myself... However this doesn't norrow the "power" of your software.

 

Regards

[David Grover]

The stitching script is now fixed in 8.3.3.  

 

David

[SimonT]

@David

 

Easy for topics to get lost in this universal thread.

 

Do you have any feedback for the subject of meta data getting lost as last noted in post #80 above please? This is becoming a nuisance and creating a backlog.

 

Thanks

SimonT

[Austerror]

Sony Pro only works with Sony RAW, JPG are OK.

 

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One-for-Sony/Upgrade-options-for-Sony.aspx?

 

Has a link to a detailed comparison, a PDF.

 

Sony Pro version, so far, works with my old Minolta files too.

[weinhous]

Need Identical C1 Environments on Two Macs - How?

 

I'm trying to switch from Lightroom to an already licensed Capture One 8.3.3 running on my Mac under El Capitan.

 

I want to have the same environment regardless of whether I'm working on my Mac Pro or on my MacBook. That's been accomplished using Lightroom by keeping image files and configuration files on an external drive.

 

Seems that the C1 image catalog and also the C1 files installed by default in ~/Library/Application Support/Capture One/ would have to live on the external drive to give me what I need.

 

How do I get C1 to look to the external drive for the C1 /Application Support/Capture One/ files?

 

Is that the best way to achieve identical use on two computers? Am I missing anything?

 

Thanks in advance,

[free_tibett]

Hi weinhous,

 

I'm working on both, an iMac and a Mini.

Pics are stored on a NAS.

I simply save a backup everytime I quit C1.

The backup is saved on the NAS as well. When I want to switch the machine, I simply open the backup catalog to have the latest adjustments.

For me it works.

 

Hope this helps

[weinhous]

Thanks

 

Hi weinhous,

I'm working on both, an iMac and a Mini.
Pics are stored on a NAS.
I simply save a backup everytime I quit C1.
The backup is saved on the NAS as well. When I want to switch the machine, I simply open the backup catalog to have the latest adjustments.
For me it works.

Hope this helps

 

How do you manage the configuration and preference settings to keep them synchronized between machines? How do you deal with different backups on each Mac?

 

Best,

 

Marty

[free_tibett]

You mean worspace?

Well, I don't do a lot of adjustments on the mini. Therefore I didn't saved a particular workspace.

But you can save your preferred workspace an copy it to the second machine.

The saved workspace can be found in Library/Application Support/Capture One/

To save your worspace open C1 go to window/workspace...

[dbmiller]

I think the Pro version has sessions, which allow you to save everything for a session within that folder. So moving the external drive between the two machine and opening the session from the drive should work. I have yet to update to Pro, so don't know for sure, but was researching the same questions. You could bring the folder to the local machine and work on it there, but then you couldn't work on separate machines and merge changes. But with sessions, you could modify one session on one machine, and a different session on another machine and then update each computer with the other session.

 

With the Express version for Sony, using the external drive as the backup for the catalog might also be the way to go. I don't recall a way to override where the single catalog is saved. This again won't work if you want to make changes on either computer and then be able to merge them - You'd have to make the backup each time and import on the other machine before making any changes there.

[mkg3]

So, after acquiring a7r2, downloaded the C1 (very confusing between the Pro, Pro for Sony, Express and one other...) and gave it a spin for the last 30 days.

 

Disclaimer is that I am an Aperture user who still haven't switched over to another DAM/processor system.  Have tried LR and now C1 thus far.

 

After spending much time trying to figure out how to use the 2nd monitor (since I use MBP) as the full page view and the MBP as the thumbnail view as I work in Aperture, sadly learned that that feature is not enabled in Express..... Documentation is not clear at all and I had to send an email to tech support - which they reply with a single line response - "only available for the Pro version"

 

Then, come to find that many features are disabled in the Express and only available for the "Pro" version.  Then, finally found what it takes to upgrade (again, very non intuitive website at PhaseOne), there are two different versions of Pro with a very large price difference between them.

 

As a Nikon and Sony user,  I have thousands of NEF files that cannot be used with C1, as Express is essentially worthless as its disabled limitations simply adds to the frustration.

 

So the only solution is to buy the $269 "upgrade" from Express to unrestricted "Pro" version - same discount as getting a 10% code from one of PhaseOne Ambassadors - so where is the benefit of having C1 with Sony????

 

Not clear what the marketing strategy is but it is resulting in turning this user off from C1 rather than wanting to goto C1. As for the subscription model, the cost is 50% higher than Adobe with LR+PScc so that too is questionable strategy.

 

 

 

 

[weinhous]

So, after acquiring a7r2, downloaded the C1 (very confusing between the Pro, Pro for Sony, Express and one other...) and gave it a spin for the last 30 days.

 

Disclaimer is that I am an Aperture user who still haven't switched over to another DAM/processor system.  Have tried LR and now C1 thus far.

 

After spending much time trying to figure out how to use the 2nd monitor (since I use MBP) as the full page view and the MBP as the thumbnail view as I work in Aperture, sadly learned that that feature is not enabled in Express..... Documentation is not clear at all and I had to send an email to tech support - which they reply with a single line response - "only available for the Pro version"

 

Then, come to find that many features are disabled in the Express and only available for the "Pro" version.  Then, finally found what it takes to upgrade (again, very non intuitive website at PhaseOne), there are two different versions of Pro with a very large price difference between them.

 

As a Nikon and Sony user,  I have thousands of NEF files that cannot be used with C1, as Express is essentially worthless as its disabled limitations simply adds to the frustration.

 

So the only solution is to buy the $269 "upgrade" from Express to unrestricted "Pro" version - same discount as getting a 10% code from one of PhaseOne Ambassadors - so where is the benefit of having C1 with Sony????

 

Not clear what the marketing strategy is but it is resulting in turning this user off from C1 rather than wanting to goto C1. As for the subscription model, the cost is 50% higher than Adobe with LR+PScc so that too is questionable strategy.

Thought that they offered a free 30-day trial of the pro version?

[SimonT]

I am an Aperture user who still haven't switched over to another DAM/processor system.  Have tried LR and now C1 thus far.

I too came from Aperture...

The good news is that C1 is a great editor.

The bad news is that it is not a Digital Asset Management system, so you will need another program for that. Take great care that they both communicate well with each other!

 

Aperture was not a great editor nor a great DAM, but it handled both jobs very well and could be combined with e.g. C1. However, its day has passed.

[free_tibett]

So, after acquiring a7r2, downloaded the C1 (very confusing between the Pro, Pro for Sony, Express and one other...) and gave it a spin for the last 30 days.

 

Disclaimer is that I am an Aperture user who still haven't switched over to another DAM/processor system.  Have tried LR and now C1 thus far.

 

After spending much time trying to figure out how to use the 2nd monitor (since I use MBP) as the full page view and the MBP as the thumbnail view as I work in Aperture, sadly learned that that feature is not enabled in Express..... Documentation is not clear at all and I had to send an email to tech support - which they reply with a single line response - "only available for the Pro version"

 

Then, come to find that many features are disabled in the Express and only available for the "Pro" version.  Then, finally found what it takes to upgrade (again, very non intuitive website at PhaseOne), there are two different versions of Pro with a very large price difference between them.

 

As a Nikon and Sony user,  I have thousands of NEF files that cannot be used with C1, as Express is essentially worthless as its disabled limitations simply adds to the frustration.

 

So the only solution is to buy the $269 "upgrade" from Express to unrestricted "Pro" version - same discount as getting a 10% code from one of PhaseOne Ambassadors - so where is the benefit of having C1 with Sony????

 

Not clear what the marketing strategy is but it is resulting in turning this user off from C1 rather than wanting to goto C1. As for the subscription model, the cost is 50% higher than Adobe with LR+PScc so that too is questionable strategy.

The strategy fit to my needs quite good, to be honest. As a beginner without a RAW converter and Sony only body, it was perfect. For me it is OK to work with ARW only and the C1 Pro Version version is cheaper as LR.

[KlausH]

@David,

 

The firmware 2.0 for the A7R M2 is now available and I have it installed without problems. However, C1 version 8.3.3 cannot decode/show the uncompressed lossless ARW files.

When will this be available? You guys are normally so very fast...

[Philber]

David,

 

Sony have now released an "uncompressed RAW" option for their A7R II. I shot 2 pics that way,and C1 just gives me black previews. When will this option be supported?

Thanks for your help on this great piece of software.

[David Grover]

Hi Klaus and Philber,

 

We have a release imminent that supports the uncompressed RAW.  It should have been released already but we found a couple of items (not Sony related) that needed fixing.

 

Any day now!

 

David

[David Grover]

I too came from Aperture...

The good news is that C1 is a great editor.

The bad news is that it is not a Digital Asset Management system, so you will need another program for that. Take great care that they both communicate well with each other!

 

Aperture was not a great editor nor a great DAM, but it handled both jobs very well and could be combined with e.g. C1. However, its day has passed.

 

Simon that's complete misinformation!

 

1000's of people use Capture One as an asset manager everyday.

 

Alternatively you can use Capture One Pro in Sessions mode or simply as a browser like Bridge.

[David Grover]

So, after acquiring a7r2, downloaded the C1 (very confusing between the Pro, Pro for Sony, Express and one other...) and gave it a spin for the last 30 days.

 

Disclaimer is that I am an Aperture user who still haven't switched over to another DAM/processor system.  Have tried LR and now C1 thus far.

 

After spending much time trying to figure out how to use the 2nd monitor (since I use MBP) as the full page view and the MBP as the thumbnail view as I work in Aperture, sadly learned that that feature is not enabled in Express..... Documentation is not clear at all and I had to send an email to tech support - which they reply with a single line response - "only available for the Pro version"

 

Then, come to find that many features are disabled in the Express and only available for the "Pro" version.  Then, finally found what it takes to upgrade (again, very non intuitive website at PhaseOne), there are two different versions of Pro with a very large price difference between them.

 

As a Nikon and Sony user,  I have thousands of NEF files that cannot be used with C1, as Express is essentially worthless as its disabled limitations simply adds to the frustration.

 

So the only solution is to buy the $269 "upgrade" from Express to unrestricted "Pro" version - same discount as getting a 10% code from one of PhaseOne Ambassadors - so where is the benefit of having C1 with Sony????

 

Not clear what the marketing strategy is but it is resulting in turning this user off from C1 rather than wanting to goto C1. As for the subscription model, the cost is 50% higher than Adobe with LR+PScc so that too is questionable strategy.

 

 

I think it is pertinent to point out that Capture One Express (for Sony) is free.  Therefore it is obvious / natural / only right(!) that some features are disabled compared to the Pro version.

 

If you are a pure Sony camera owner then you can use Express for Free or Pro (for Sony) for 50 dollars / Euros.  That's an amazing deal compared to Capture One's full retail price of 299 (USD).

 

In your case you have Sony and Nikon, so by nature, need an application which handles all RAW files.

 

Yes our cost is higher / sub cost greater, which we believe is reflected in the quality / features of the product.