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In the last days of sailing vessels the Cutty Sark and the other classic clippers were super fast, compared to steam ships. Do we see anymore clippers sailing on our oceans, or instead we see gigantic cargo containers heirs of those first steam-powered ships?

 

It's the normal arc of life for every tech: when you're new you are at disadvantage compared to any other mature technology, but you have also much higher margins to improve and you're moving way faster.

 

Another example would be film vs digital, and we all know how that ended up :)

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Epson V700 or 800 or what every the modelnumber is now. Though the good old darkroom is a nice place to hang out.

 

 

Sorry, that's not gonna work. In my experience is better to shoot a smaller format, but have the scans done properly, than to use a larger film format but do the scans on a flatbed; i.e. better to shoot medium format and scan the film on a Nikon Coolscan, an Imacon or a Drum (or with a digital camera, stitching multiple exposures like I normally do; you can find the details on the second link if you're interested) than shooting 5x7" and scan it on a flatbed.

 

You can check the test I did for my own education here:

 

http://www.addicted2light.com/2012/11/23/best-film-scanner-canon-5d-mark-ii-vs-drum-scanner-vs-epson-v700/

http://www.addicted2light.com/2012/11/29/how-to-scan-films-using-a-digital-camera/

 

I agree on the darkroom being a good place to hang out though. Sometimes I still miss the smell of fixer lingering for hours in the air!

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To be honest, I find this quite astonishing.

 

Irrespective of the technology employed, the D5 is undoubtedly a phenomenal camera, so to hear them drawing comparisons with models that are less than half the price suggests that they are deeply concerned as to how the market is moving.

 

Even more so, as you would imgine that by the time Sony can produce a model which compares to the D5 Nikon would have another new camera (D6?).

The danger here is that by making such definitve statements about the inherent advantages of OVF and DSLR cameras, Nikon have talked themselves into a corner.

Once all the limitatons have been ironed out, such as the lag (which isn't that great or difficult to deal with), the I think Nikon would be struggling to come up with an argument and look very silly should they jump on the bandwagon.

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The danger here is that by making such definitve statements about the inherent advantages of OVF and DSLR cameras, Nikon have talked themselves into a corner.

Once all the limitatons have been ironed out, such as the lag (which isn't that great or difficult to deal with), the I think Nikon would be struggling to come up with an argument and look very silly should they jump on the bandwagon.

 

 

They already did something like this once, when they were championing the virtues of a DX format ("we don't see the need to go full frame blah blah blah").

 

We have seen how that went!

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Sorry, that's not gonna work. In my experience is better to shoot a smaller format, but have the scans done properly, than to use a larger film format but do the scans on a flatbed; i.e. better to shoot medium format and scan the film on a Nikon Coolscan, an Imacon or a Drum (or with a digital camera, stitching multiple exposures like I normally do; you can find the details on the second link if you're interested) than shooting 5x7" and scan it on a flatbed.

 

You can check the test I did for my own education here:

 

http://www.addicted2light.com/2012/11/23/best-film-scanner-canon-5d-mark-ii-vs-drum-scanner-vs-epson-v700/

http://www.addicted2light.com/2012/11/29/how-to-scan-films-using-a-digital-camera/

 

I agree on the darkroom being a good place to hang out though. Sometimes I still miss the smell of fixer lingering for hours in the air!

Vauv is it that bad!!!

I thought I did fairly well with my first one from it. Well maybe not

Mamiya 645pro tl 80mm f2,8

http://www.fotostart.dk/index.php?p=604&u=20554&pl=98663&br=u

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I've only just recently got into photography, so I come with no preconceptions about the various technologies or benefits/flaws of each system.

 

After doing my homework I realized that if I wanted speed (AF + viewfinder) for sports/nature, I should buy a DSLR - so I don't think what was said in that video was out of place.

 

My job as a product manager (not camera related!) has taught me that you have to play to your strengths and there are different products for different segments of the market. Saying "Mirrorless is better than mirrored" or vice versa is a pointless exercise in 2016 in my opinion. In the future, the segments might converge, but for now I can see a place for both in a number of areas.

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Reminds me of how Microsoft used to talk about now smartphones and tablets would never replace the desktop or laptop.   Even further back - remember those big IBM PC keyboards?  Turns out we didn't really need those either - they just helped people make the transition from technology of the past.

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Irrespective of the technology employed, the D5 is undoubtedly a phenomenal camera, so to hear them drawing comparisons with models that are less than half the price suggests that they are deeply concerned as to how the market is moving.There have been a number of transformations in the industry. 

 

1. The Brownie created much of what we now know as the industry, and the 1st popular explosion for Kodak

2. 35mm changed the way we shot, and created the need for 40  variations of Leica cameras.

3. Instamatic film led to the 2nd popular explosion for Kodak

4. The arrival of true AE.

5. Autofocus and the final rise of Minolta and the death of many companies (or near death). It was also when Canon made their greatest bet.

6. Digital lays waste to the industry 

7. The arrival of Mirrorless.

 

Each of these events have had a profound impact on the market. Companies have risen and others have died. If you had told me when I was 20 that Kodak would one day be a cheap Chinese off brand I would have laughed at you. Remember the Nikon F6? It was introduced in 2004 and was the last luxury buggy Nikon made and is still in production. It's tech is the same as the D2x. The D5 will have it's uses, but I think it will be remembered as the F5 of digital, one the last great dinosaurs of the mirrored age.

 

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I remember the same for the following

 

Betamax vs VHS

HD-dvd vs Blu Ray

Novell vs Windows NT

 

we can argue all we want about battery life but Jason Lanier summed it up, I would rather carry 2 batteries extra than hump a massive DSLR around its a rubbish arguement and one that sits in Betamax land, you know what your buying into when you buy a Sony, if not go canon or Nikon...

 

The same goes for compact flash vs SD, SD will triumph in time CF is so Betamax irrelevant if it's faster or better....the world wants small

 

I watched it and what comes to mind is it's fast because it's 20mg and not 43. My fz1000 could do 12 plus FPS same as what's showed on the video in fact it was prob faster in jpeg high speed, and that's was mirror less. Maybe for journos and sport pros, but jury's is out for me...

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