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Hi all. Started hybrid shooting recently. Going straight to the point:

1. Is it true that the PP affects the raw in Sony cameras? Why?

 

2. Is there any Sony camera that maps one of the custom buttons directly to the record button (with video and photo picture profile/style and also settings) without needing to interact with 3 buttons every time I want to take a clip in a fast paced environment?

If there isn’t, the question is why? Is it possible to have a firmware update that implements this feature to most of the cameras that are more suitable for hybrid shooting?

 

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45 minutes ago, Pieter said:

Not sure if this is in all cameras, but apparently gamma settings might affect RAW files while using PP. But gamma settings only:

 

Thanks, looks like it. Have just tried it and it does. So if I am an hybrid shooter I am literally screwed, because the picture profile affects the raw files then? So isn’t Sony separating this between each modes?

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6 hours ago, Sonytog said:

Thanks, looks like it. Have just tried it and it does. So if I am an hybrid shooter I am literally screwed, because the picture profile affects the raw files then? So isn’t Sony separating this between each modes?

ONLY Gamma. Nothing else affects RAW. 

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To continue:

As far as I know, all Sony cameras can be set up separately with custom profiles for video and images, especially from the A7R III and newer. You should be able to map those settings to any of the custom buttons you want to switch back and forth. For instance, I don't even use the red button for video, I have that programmed for a custom shooting set. I use the left side of the rear dial for video. I'm not huge into video, but do press the button once in a while. You should be able to set one of the Custom settings on your mode dial as well. If that isn't fast enough, any of the programmable buttons should work. Just set up the button of your desire with the settings of your desire, then press to start recording and press again to stop. Once you stop the camera will return to the previous mode. 

Unless I am misinterpreting your question? 

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7 hours ago, Cameratose said:

ONLY Gamma. Nothing else affects RAW. 

Yeah, but it means that if the PP affects the RAW then if you are an hybrid shooter (photo + video) that's not ideal right?

7 hours ago, Cameratose said:

To continue:

As far as I know, all Sony cameras can be set up separately with custom profiles for video and images, especially from the A7R III and newer. You should be able to map those settings to any of the custom buttons you want to switch back and forth.

No you can't. You can't have separate custom profiles for video and images. When you enable picture profile, the creative look (PP in photo mode) is grayed out.

7 hours ago, Cameratose said:

You should be able to set one of the Custom settings on your mode dial as well. If that isn't fast enough, any of the programmable buttons should work.

Yes you can configure the custom setting button but that is one extra step. Canon has got custom button 3 mapped to record button.

 

The ISSUE here is that when you are in photo mode you have to:

1) Turn the dial to the custom setup you want

2) Switch to video mode

3) Press record

Canon has got the custom button 3 mapped to the record button. What does it mean? You are in photo mode and I just need one step: press record button and it will record with the setting pre-set on custom button on the dial.

But one thing that bothers me massively is the fact that the PP affects the RAW.

 

Is there a way to speak with Sony? Do they have any platform where we can give them inputs? This should an extremely easy firmware update (custom button on the dial mapped to the record). The PP affecting the RAW that I am not sure but it should be very easily fixed I believe unless it's got to do with the architecture of the circuitries inside the camera, etc.

 

 

 

 

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The picture profiles DO NOT affect RAW files. That's been said three times now. Even if RAW is affected by gamma, your custom settings don't affect each other, they aren't global. 

Let's back up a bit. First off, which camera are you using? My A7 IV and A1 both have the ability to have completely separate profiles for video and stills. 

Why can't you simply set up your video button with the settings you want and just push it? That's what I do. I can be shooting stills and if I decide to shoot video I just press the button. No need to move any switches or press any other buttons.  

 

 

 

 

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Cameratose, thanks for your reply. The PP does affect the raw file - I have tried it. You try it too.

 

I m using the Sony A7IV but have returned it now. I also was using the Sony A7r4.

 

You last statement: when you press record, it will record with the current photo settings (S.S, Aperture, WB, PP,  etc). To get video settings you need to flick the photo/video button then press record the very least or rotate the custom button (c1-c3) to what you want. But as an hybrid shooter I would just stick to one kind of setting.

 

When I am on the "run & gun" I don't have time to flick a button. On fast paced environments it doesn't work like that.

 

Is this forum regulated by Sony itself?

 

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1 hour ago, Pieter said:

What are you suggesting here, that @Cameratose is a covert Sony rep? Way to treat people who are just trying to help you...

No, because if this is regulted by Sony I would like to ask them to PLEASE map the record button to one of the custom buttoms (C1-C3). This would be a game changer for hybrid shooting. No camera is true hybrid if they don't have this feture. If hybrid is recording video and taking photos, my 14y old Canon 6D does that.

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Issue with the “Movie Shooting” Custom Key and Exposure Mode

The problem with assigning “Movie Shooting” to a custom key on Sony cameras is that it’s tied to the current exposure mode when you start recording.

For example:

• If you’re in Aperture Priority, pressing the movie button starts recording in Aperture Priority mode (as indicated by an “A” next to the movie symbol on the rear LCD).

• If you’re in Shutter Priority, the video recording follows Shutter Priority settings (with an “S” next to the movie icon).

This limitation makes the record button less versatile than it could be. What SonyTog is suggesting is that the movie recording function should be completely independent of the current exposure mode, allowing users to set a fully custom video mode that activates when the button is pressed.

For comparison, the Canon R6 allows users to remap the record button to a dedicated custom video mode, making hybrid shooting easy.

Hopefully, Sony will take note and implement this in a future firmware update or camera release. As it stands, the current system feels clunky and falls behind the competition.

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