SATOR at PetaPixel: Why Sony’s Full Frame Pro Mirrorless Was a Fatal Mistake

[Reinhold_1]

I read the article by SATOR and am a little confused by so much lack of objectivity. No one is forced to buy or use SONY FF E-mount cameras or Sony cameras at all.

I've certainly used in my life to the 70 camerabodys from different manufacturers and partly owned them. There are in each system's strengths and weaknesses, advantages and disadvantages. If SATOR is a FUJI Photographer, let him shoot with FUJI!

Currently, I'm shooting with five SONY cameras (SLT A77II / A 6000 / A6300 2x / A 7 II) and around twenty lenses, including some really good legacy lens. Just the universality of the E-mount makes my opinion the success of Sony.

And yes, I say very clearly: I'm a Sony fanboy!

[Guest all8]

This is the same person posting trash in forum here, same screen grabs, same interesting arguments. Probably same person as Max or some Dog.

 

 

So far my large and heavy A7ii is working pretty well with its too small mount size and ineffective IBIS. Don't much like the firmware and buttons though ... but with Loxia and a leather case, never have to bother too much with that.

 

What is even more amazing is that it fits into my "Rangefinder" bag, with room for one spare lens. No DSLR is going to pull that party trick!

[happypuppy]

He passed over the sensor. The heart of the body. Canon is playing catch up with sensors and Nikon ? We know who makes their sensors

 

 

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[Cine4Production]

He also didn't really go over anything regarding video function at all. 
There is quite a large community using Sony mirrorless system for their versatility for video, and being able to mount any lenses onto it while giving very decent video quality without paying the pro price is a big plus.

 

Would love to see him dig into the Fuji video...

 

Andrea's rebuttal was pretty spot on and fair, where the original article from Sator sounds like a clickbait. 

[Guest Colin Scott Johnson]

He misses the point completely.

Sony can be as small and light as you want, or the same size as a DSLR with long heavy zooms - if that's what you want.

 

I owned a Nikon D810 and D750 until recently and had to use a grip on the D750 to balance the new 24-70 VR.

A D750 without a grip and with a pancake lens mounted is still a hefty piece of kit.

Much more bulky and awkward than an A7 series camera.

 

The main disadvantage of DSLRs for me as I age, is the OVF.

I need reading glasses to set or see anything with a DSLR.

With the Sony cameras, I can use a diopter adjusted EVF to get everything and much more.

This is worth the price of admission for me.

 

My pains with Sony are not related to weight.

 

I really dislike the single-threaded buffer writing routine that locks up the camera while it clears the buffer and writes to disk.

This behavior is shocking with any software in 2016 but is inexcusable in a so-called pro camera.

This is just bad software engineering.

Please fix this Sony!

 

Secondly, for $3200, the A7r II really needs a more robust finish that the crappy eggshell paint they use.

This rubs off very easily and leaves shiny silver underneath.

No brassing here.

 

Now, once Canon and Nikon start offering a camera with a choice of OVF or EVF or a hybrid, then things will get interesting.

A DSLR speed camera like a Nikon D5 or Canon 1DX-II that has a real buffer of 200 RAW shots and doesn't lock up the camera will be worth paying for.

[Berek]

Just another person with an opinion. Nothing to see here.

If people make informed decisions about their photography then they'll look at more than one voice else they make a choice not in their best interests. Been going on since Internet v0.1

[Chirp]

I've written a rather lengthy article on the matter, the link -- http://photochirp.com/pages/useful-information/mirrorless-cameras/. 

 

If you don't wish to read it all -- 

• When comparing the size of different lenses, you should not compare a 55mm f/1.8 with a 55mm f/1.8 just because they're the same aperture and focal length--image quality plays a part.
• If you compare a DSLR lens attached to a Sony mirrorless camera with an adapter, to the same DSLR lens attached to a DSLR, the total volume of the Sony system is smaller.
• Lenses for Sony mirrorless cameras can be smaller than for a DSLR due to the position of the sensor relative to the mount.
• The image problems people have with lenses are not due to a problem with the mount but rather because there's a thick layer of glass that covers the sensor. If you remove some of this glass, you will see the problems diminish; the glass is there for a reason, don't blindly remove it.
• There are no issues with the diameter of the e-mount.
• Crop should not be compared to full frame with size comparisons as lens compression and final output is vastly different, even if you take into account field or view and aperture equivalents.
• Looking at a bunch of lenses and assuming to know about lens design is comparable to looking at a computer program and pretending to know how to code.

I wrote my article to try help those that're concerned about switching system or whatnot. If there's something that's not very clear in it or this post, let me know and I'll rephrase it.

[reyh66]

It was long but a good read.. I can never go back to DSLR body after A7 series came out.. Simple reason.. You can have a small body and lens combo with mirrorless PLUS you can have a bigger lens as an option.. DSLR has no option, you put a smaller lens but the body itself is already big..There is nothing much you can do...