Nikon DL - Better than the RX100iv?

[JonathanStewart]

The new Nikon DL compacts look pretty sweet. They're probably packing the same Sony sensor found in the RX100iv, but it looks like the implementation may be even better.  The one with the most attractive lens, for me, the 24-85mm, is also the cheapest at $650. 

 

On paper, these have everything the RX100iv does, but you lose an EVF in favor of a touch screen, and wifi for bluetooth only.  They've got built-in time-lapse, HFR, 4k video, OSS and electronic OS, and Nikon say they've eliminated rolling shutter, which is a huge problem on the RX100iv in 4k. 

 

Not sure you power it with USB (probably not). That, and the fact that I've already got a zillion backup batteries for my RX100iv means I probably won't be switching, but still . . . 

 

Has Nikon bettered Sony in the premium compact?  The 24-500 version looks arguably better than the RX10ii.  If I were buying today, I'd probably get the Nikon.  

 

Your thoughts? 

 

http://nikonrumors.com/2016/02/23/nikon-dl-cameras-specs-comparison.aspx/#more-102482

[Wesley]

The new Nikon DL compacts look pretty sweet. They're probably packing the same Sony sensor found in the RX100iv, but it looks like the implementation may be even better.  The one with the most attractive lens, for me, the 24-85mm, is also the cheapest at $650. 

 

On paper, these have everything the RX100iv does, but you lose an EVF in favor of a touch screen, and wifi for bluetooth only.  They've got built-in time-lapse, HFR, 4k video, OSS and electronic OS, and Nikon say they've eliminated rolling shutter, which is a huge problem on the RX100iv in 4k. 

 

Not sure you power it with USB (probably not). That, and the fact that I've already got a zillion backup batteries for my RX100iv means I probably won't be switching, but still . . . 

 

Has Nikon bettered Sony in the premium compact?  The 24-500 version looks arguably better than the RX10ii.  If I were buying today, I'd probably get the Nikon.  

 

Your thoughts? 

 

http://nikonrumors.com/2016/02/23/nikon-dl-cameras-specs-comparison.aspx/#more-102482

 

I would personally take the RX100 as it's a true compact experience. Integrated lens cap and EVF.

 

Looks like DL 24-85 has 4" more depth, optional hot shoe EVF, and regular lens cap which will make it bulky. However if it's like the Nikon 1 than expect faster AF.   60fps is ridiculously fast as well.

 

A good competitor for the RX100.

[JonathanStewart]

I would personally take the RX100 as it's a true compact experience. Integrated lens cap and EVF.

 

Looks like DL 24-85 has 4" more depth, optional hot shoe EVF, and regular lens cap which will make it bulky. However if it's like the Nikon 1 than expect faster AF.   60fps is ridiculously fast as well.

 

A good competitor for the RX100.

 

No doubt a good competitor and it should push Sony to improve as well.  Indeed it is bigger than the Sony, which matters in that category.  I've had two of the lens cover/caps on the RX cameras jam up on me. They're too fragile, so I'd welcome a regular lens cap, or maybe just put on a slim filter and not worry about it. 

[pjpo98]

This isn't a Sony sensor but rather the Aptina sensor with PDAF as used in the rest of the Nikon 1 line. It absolutely kills me that Sony leaves PDAF out of the RX line when they have the technology. An EVF is great, but I really don't miss it on my RX100ii. At least Sony has the best implementation for it to be hidden away until you do need it. Add in things like the ND filter, filter threads, 1/16,000 sec shutter, and you have some solid benefits over the RX.

 

The big deal on the DL line is the 18-50 model that somehow isn't getting as much attention. There has never been an ultra wide compact, let alone one with at least a 1" sensor or bigger. And they could have just let it be a slow lens like their own 18-35mm f/3.5-5.6, but no, we have a really bright f/1.8-2.8 which equates to f/4.8-7.5 FF. My walk around kit is a FE 16-35 and 55mm, and this essentially includes that whole range. The RX100ii is f/3.2 at 50mm, so it's still even faster than that. This is perfect for backpacking and all sorts of travel. Every realtor needs this to take respectable photos of their listings instead of using their dang phone!

[Snowfun]

Importantly, the Sony has an EVF (without having to pay extra) plus slog. But for anyone not bothered about those the Nikon looks superb.

[Guest all8]

Importantly, the Sony has an EVF (without having to pay extra) plus slog. But for anyone not bothered about those the Nikon looks superb.

 

Have you seen how much a Sony RX100 IV costs? The price if the EVF is "baked into the cake"!

 

The Sony RX100 is really a nice size, however that Nikon DL 18-50 looks like it might be better (although larger). Personally I would rather the Nikon DL 18-50 with real camera controls and none of the automation/scenes - dial for shutter speed, dial for aperture, and zoom control on the lens.

 

But the price ... of both ... I prefer what I get from my Ricoh GR over my RX100 ... and the only slightly more expensive Leica X (113) gets me a camera which behaves like a camera ... I think they could all do a little better.

 

Nikon DL 18-50 looks pretty good, I doubt Sony is about to make a real camera anytime soon.

[Snowfun]

I doubt Sony is about to make a real camera anytime soon.

FS7 or FS5?

[Guest all8]

FS7 or FS5?

 

 

Why not both, just glue them together and stick a PASM and SCN dial somewhere?    

 

Sony and Nikon and the rest continue to put these idiot features into compacts, but the target audience has long since given up and got themselves an iPhone ...

 

I would rather see a shrunk down version of the RX1, with an APS-C sensor and some kind of Zoom, than an RX100 V which struggles to keep up with what the latest smart phone can do. Dido for Nikon, nice, but really ... aim a little higher since the compact market is almost completely dead.  

[Golem]

Cameras without viewfinders are lame.

 

Yes, they do make pictures, and may have

excellent IQ, tricky fun features, etc, but ....

THEY ARE LAME.

 

Altho I understand that the majority of them

come in very handy if you need to send text

or voice mail .....

[chrisqphoto]

Not sure you power it with USB (probably not). That, and the fact that I've already got a zillion backup batteries for my RX100iv means I probably won't be switching, but still . . . 

 

Has Nikon bettered Sony in the premium compact?  The 24-500 version looks arguably better than the RX10ii.  If I were buying today, I'd probably get the Nikon.  

 

Your thoughts? 

 

http://nikonrumors.com/2016/02/23/nikon-dl-cameras-specs-comparison.aspx/#more-102482

but the lens is not a constant aperture, so you lose light as you zoom, giving it the same problem that Panasonic FZ100 (did I get the right model #?) that alone kills it.