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Sony have forgotten about flash.

1. No cable to operate flash off camera (a7, etc).

2. No wireless flash options other than using 2 sony flash units

 

Existing cables need multiple converters at each end.

 

Third party remote flash are bulky, require multiple batteries to be maintained and make the rig way to pro like for casual, social or street type photography.

 

I just simply want to have handheld fill in flash. Not too much to ask for.

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Your best bet is an ODIN commander (not sure if this is available with the new shoe) and a flash like Nissin i40 with a Phottix receiver.

 

I also see a tiny flash from China that will do TTL (adapters supplied) but that brand does CaNikon versions with radio control.  So, there is some hope that it will become a reality for Sony cameras.

 

Yes, I do agree that Sony have neglected flash developments.

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I use a YN-E3-RT in legacy mode with my Canon 600EX-RT flashes. No TTL but full radio based remote power control.

Have also used a Cactus V6 transceiver pair with any Canon ETTL flash to get remote power control

 

Phottix is supposed to have an updated Mistro+ system to work with the new hotshoe. Don't know if its available yet.

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Have been using a Nissin i40    Most practical flash I've ever used.    Can use off camera but not TTL, do use the flash on manual most of the time.   For shooting in manual, there is a wheel on the back, can dial in from full power to 1/256th power.    

Imagine there should be a Photix for the Sony Multi-function shoe soon?

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Sony have forgotten about flash.

1. No cable to operate flash off camera (a7, etc).

2. No wireless flash options other than using 2 sony flash units

 

Existing cables need multiple converters at each end.

 

Third party remote flash are bulky, require multiple batteries to be maintained and make the rig way to pro like for casual, social or street type photography.

 

I just simply want to have handheld fill in flash. Not too much to ask for.

 

1. Sony FA-CS1M + Sony FA-MC1AM + Sony FA-CS1M ( or direct to a HVL-F60M or 58AM or 56AM or Minolta 5600HSD) and you could even have one on camera flash connected to a second wired off camera flash

2a. Better no flash than a useless flash like on NEX-7, NEX-6, A6000 etc

2b. In manual mode only: iShoot PT-04 ( 12$ trigger, 12$ each receiver ) with older standard shoe flashes will do.

 

2c. For TTL WL one HVL-F20M, F32M, F43M or 60M as controller and any Minolta 3600HSD, 5600HSD, Sony HVL-F36AM, F42AM, F43AM or M, F56AM, F58AM or F60M can be used as remote. AM models are the old Minolta shoe but in WL who cares and some like the 3600 can be had used for about 100-125$ each

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1. Sony FA-CS1M + Sony FA-MC1AM + Sony FA-CS1M ( or direct to a HVL-F60M or 58AM or 56AM or Minolta 5600HSD) and you could even have one on camera flash connected to a second wired off camera flash

2a. Better no flash than a useless flash like on NEX-7, NEX-6, A6000 etc

2b. In manual mode only: iShoot PT-04 ( 12$ trigger, 12$ each receiver ) with older standard shoe flashes will do.

 

2c. For TTL WL one HVL-F20M, F32M, F43M or 60M as controller and any Minolta 3600HSD, 5600HSD, Sony HVL-F36AM, F42AM, F43AM or M, F56AM, F58AM or F60M can be used as remote. AM models are the old Minolta shoe but in WL who cares and some like the 3600 can be had used for about 100-125$ each

 

Thanks for that overview. I do believe the Sony system is underestimated in flashes, having a bit of a special hot shoe.

1) I would have liked the HVL-F20M on a cable, seems Sony FA-CS1M + Sony FA-MC1AM + Sony FA-CS1M does that for 90$.

2) I guess for 2c it is any Minolta HSD or Sony HVL (excluding the 20, .... quite a lot of them it seems are to be excluded) would do? I mainly found some other Minolta flashes for sale though.

3) the iShoot PT-04 is without brand, correct? So you could use it on several systems (in manual mode, so not for the HVL-F20M).

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So one extra issue with the HVL-F20M is that it is very automatic and will have issues with the pre-flash for the ttl as commander to a YoungNuo (if not Sony ttl enabled). So the flash you use as slave should have delay or ignore first flash for anything to work, if it can.

 

On the other hand, as you showed, you seem to be able to add about any flash and use them manually or for Nikon for example in non ttl auto mode. This last one you need to give the parameters from your system in the flash, test, correct a bit and then ... the flash will measure the environment and adapt the power of flash when you or your subject moves (like ttl but without using a sensor in the camera, but using a sensor in the flash), obviously less precise, but many seem to like it.

 

The price of the off camera flash cable will finance 2 old flashes for me, with the iShoot I can then start experimenting off camera. OK I'm going away from Sony solutions, but the Sony solutions work and the there are alternatives that work (with a bit less functionality) as well for those that want to.

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To help a friend with a simple problem, I put an

old Sunpak flash in the shoe of my A-6000 and

popped of a few. No problems. I did check the  

trigger voltage acoarst, but thaz unrelated as to

my friend's problem, which apparently is not a

problem at all. The old flash synchs up and all

is right with the world.

 

Maybe Sony found out about this chink in their

armor and has patched it so I would not have

the same simple good fortune with an A7? Not

having an A7 available, I'm curious about that !

  

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To help a friend with a simple problem, I put an

old Sunpak flash in the shoe of my A-6000 and

popped of a few. No problems. I did check the  

trigger voltage acoarst, but thaz unrelated as to

my friend's problem, which apparently is not a

problem at all. The old flash synchs up and all

is right with the world.

 

Maybe Sony found out about this chink in their

armor and has patched it so I would not have

the same simple good fortune with an A7? Not

having an A7 available, I'm curious about that !

  

 

Not clear what your friends problem was and not clear what you want to see tested. So can not help.

 

I found a Minolta 5600 HSD for 75EUR and got it (someone bid 100EUR since, but I have it now). Set on WL CH1 and the HVL-F20M talks to it perfectly in TTL it seems.

Feared that the TTL might have trouble with dumb adapters and lenses, but it seems the flash solution does not care. My first off camera flash solution is a reality.

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Hello Everybody!

The Hungarian Sony Company sold out some Alpha properties last week.

So I could just bought this Sony FA-EB1AM External Battery adaptor for Flash (For: HVL-F56AM)

If anyone shows interest in that, don't hesitate to contact me, and I send some pictures, showing that it is really new, and have 6 month guarantee.

Ask for shipping informations, the Adaptor is in Hungary.

Price: 90 $

 

Best regards, and sorry for for the "half" off topic.

 

Berkesi Ádám

berkesi.adam@gmail.com 
 

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I'm using the Odin and I really hate it to be honest.  Its really good, but when attached its so loose and falls off pretty easily. It feels like it can break. I blame it mostly on the Sony hotshoe though. Its already weak as is, then you have to add on a adapter to weaken it even further.  Its aweful!   On Sony's part, not Photix's.

 

You can use the Photix Odin for HSS, TTL, pretty much anything. The flash grouping is great.  I think it pretty much gives you everything you need in a flash if you can overlook the flimsiness.  I did, but I want a better option.

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Yes , it's really sad to see such a great camera system missing wireless flash , I found the Nissin Di700A with Air 1 Commander.. Full TTL & HSS

 

It's not yet released , expected stock availability in September 2015.

 

 

 

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I use the Metz Mecablitz 52 AF-1 as Master and both, a Nissin i40 and a Metz 44 AF-1 as slaves. I like very much the combination Metz 52 AF-1 and Nissin i40.

 

I can use Master/2 Slave groups together with TTL and Highspeed sync.

 

It's rather easy. But the camera to manual mode, underexposure 1 or 2 stops and fire. The ratio for the master and the slave group 1 and slave group 2 can be adjusted. The Metz 52 AF-1 is the master, because the Nissin can only work as slave.

Alternatively I can use the Nissin on camera (TTL or Manual) and the Metz 52 AF-1 as remote. The Metz can ignore the TTL preflash or even learn the other's flash pre flashings.

 

I however prefer the first method.

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I use a YN-E3-RT in legacy mode with my Canon 600EX-RT flashes. No TTL but full radio based remote power control.

Have also used a Cactus V6 transceiver pair with any Canon ETTL flash to get remote power control

 

Phottix is supposed to have an updated Mistro+ system to work with the new hotshoe. Don't know if its available yet.

I have the "original" Canon ST E3 RT with canon 600EXRts. Do you know if that works on the Sony. Clearly no E-TTL but hope the Sony shoe doesn't fry the Canon transmitter.

 

 

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Yes , it's really sad to see such a great camera system missing wireless flash , I found the Nissin Di700A with Air 1 Commander.. Full TTL & HSS

 

It's not yet released , expected stock availability in September 2015.

 

 

 

a6212a80eba5ca8cd5b31221cdc7e59e.jpg

 

 

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Till now the Nissin Air has the nicest looking 3rd party radio trigger system ever. You really gotta hand it to Japanese aesthetic and industrial design. Plan to get one set when available but I don't know how is the performance just yet~

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