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#21 porterbasset



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Posted 08 January 2017 - 07:00 PM

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That's great timde. I have been using the Unsharp Mask. After seeing your image, I'll be trying out the Progressive Sharpening and Dynamic Constrast.

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 07:01 PM

That's great timde. I have been using the Unsharp Mask. After seeing your image, I'll be trying out the Progressive Sharpening and Dynamic Contrast.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 07:47 PM

The Browser module is pretty good. Nice and fast, easy to apply ratings & flags, and then use filters for fast review and deleting.


But really its the speed of browsing which is so much better than C1, for the first time my fast computer is actually fast to use, C1 has been immensely disappointing in that regard.



I already purchased a licence, the control over sharpening was what pushed me over the edge. Not everything is perfect yet, but enough is to make it worth the effort. Now I have migrated my photos from C1 to the file system, sorted just how I want. Again, simple, makes sense (too me) and works.

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 11:04 AM

I've been getting better results with On1 Raw,



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Generally I use the following settings :


Develop -

  • some saturation (2-4)
  • some vibrance (4-12)
  • other adjustments as needed, generally _not_ structure or haze.

Effects -

  • Sharpening, preset screen, type progressive, adjusting amount and detail as required
  • Dynamic Contrast, small 8, medium 12, large 16, adjusted as required
  • Tone Enhancer, some adjustments here, curve in particular, but try to avoid detail and clarity (but do use it sometimes)
  • Sunshine, preset sunshine, normally reduce the amount ... but it depends on the picture
  • Vignette, lots of choice here, preset subtle and big softy, often adjusting the blending mode to luminosity (should prevent blue/purple cast in clouds)


That does a nice job of sharpening up a image from an A7ii and strengthens the original colors a little. Most importantly, you don't get any halos in the image, which is a problem with quite a few of the other effects (particularly structure, clarity haze, and so on).

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 02:41 PM

Better results here too :




So far there are no lens corrections ... so in this image I had to add a negative vignette as one of the first edits, and then latter add a vignette back. The image is still a little flat, but its still a big improvement over my first effort.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 05:26 AM

New member here, but I joined after downloading and using the ON1 software for the past two days and wanted to share my views on this app vs Capture One Pro 10.


I've been using Capture One for less than a year after having to switch from my beloved Aperture. I used Aperture since its release in 2005 and was dreading the day I would need to give it up. (Damn you, Apple, for killing one of the best applications I've ever used!) Anyway, Capture One has what I consider probably the finest RAW engine available, but the limitations of the software are killing me. The asset management is horrifyingly bad and there are many tales of people losing access to their entire database of photos after something as simple as a crash of the app. (This happened to me ... several times.)


Someone suggested ON1 Photo RAW and I downloaded the trial version. So far, I'm pressed with the app, though it does have some limitations of its own. 


I opened the same RAW file in both apps and placed them side-by-side on my iMac's screen. Then I snapped screenshots as I worked in each app. At the end, I exported from each app to a 16-bit uncompressed TIFF. For sharing purposes here, I exported those from Apple's Preview app to full quality JPEGs so there would be no possible difference in the JPEG compression. At the end of this post, I'll link to the full resolution JPEG files so you can download them for your own perusal.


Upon opening the file, each app shows a very different version based on their respective RAW engines (Capture One on left; ON1 Photo RAW on right):

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Turning on the app's respective clipping features show just how much work we need to do:

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After a few adjustments to get the image looking normal in each app, we have this. No color adjustments so far:

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They look okay, but zooming in reveals some weird green halo issues around the white water tank in the ON1 image:

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I did away with ON1's main Tone & Color adjustments and used a Tone Enhancer filter with a Luminosity Mask in the Effects module. This may be ON1's greatest advantage for editing complex images as I could easily apply the toning to only the overexposed parts of the image without difficult manual masking. It mostly cleared up the green halos. At this point, I also applied the best available sharpening in each app. I turned up Capture One's halo suppression to 100 and used ON1's shadow protection in that app's Sharpening filter module. Capture One's sharpening is clearly superior, but ON1 is not far behind:

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Sharpening examples:

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Next, I tried to exactly match each image to the other using the respective color and effects adjustments. ON1 here is vastly better than Capture One, as it has just a better array of adjustable elements and masks. It was much easier for me to make ON1's image look like Capture One's than it was to make Capture One's look like ON1.

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This is the end result. You can see in the full-size images that Capture One has better noise reduction; ON1's noise is blotchy and leads to messy exports. If, like me, you use something like Silver Efex Pro for black and white conversions, you'll want clean files to work with. On the other hand, ON1 has a very efficient workflow and doesn't rely on a proprietary catalog to store photos. I love that. For now, I think ON1 is good, but I can't justify spending the money for a license when Capture One's output is just that much better. Lately I've been making some pretty big prints (forty-eight inches on the long edge), so I really do need all the resolution I can get, and Capture One gives me that. When ON1 catches up with the few missing features, maybe I will be able to overlook its RAW engine shortcomings, but not yet. 

(Click me for Capture One full-size image - 25.5MB)  (Click me for ON1 Photo RAW full-size image - 25.1MB)



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