Jump to content


Photo

The A99mk2 will not be released before June 2016

A99 FF A99 mk2 Professional DSLR

  • Please log in to reply
105 replies to this topic

#1 delewin

delewin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 90 posts
  • LocationSydney Australia

Posted 09 February 2016 - 02:14 AM

Advertisement (Gone after free registration)

Hi all,

 

With the very recent release of both the A6300 APS-C body AND the 3 excellent Sony GM lenses, I feel our wait for the A99 mk2 has been further delayed for a number of reasons.

 

I present a summary below:

1.    Sony will want to let the release of the A6300 “stand up” to the review process and be generally acclaimed as a great little camera.

 

2.    It will be accepted as moving the boundary of camera technology forward.
 

3.    The 3 GM lenses will be tested against all competitors and come back with award after award.
 

4.    All the above will take months to play out and Sony does not want another camera announcement to “distract” the focus on these new products.
 

5.    Both Nikon and Canon have just released their new top of the line models and Sony has cleverly “held back”.
 

6.    This gives Sony the opportunity to add or fine-tune features that will exceed the capacity of the opposition products.
 

7.    Sony will use the A99 mk2 as its first serious Professional full size digital camera. I am not saying the original A99 was not a serious camera, but it was the first of its kind in full format and Sony was still learning. Sony’s development of FF sensor technology puts them in the “box” seat to lead the world in digital cameras.
 

8.    The biggest personal issue I see with the release of the A99 mk2 will be its high price. L
 

I understand development costs must be recouped, but based on the release cycle of the A99 and it’s mk2 update, I politely request Sony chooses to amortise this expense over a longer rather than shorter timeframe.
 

 

Regards,

David



#2 C47

C47

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts

Posted 09 February 2016 - 11:26 AM

Hi,
those are some interesting thoughts. I also think Sony will delay the release of the A99II for the reasons you mention.
One thing is for sure: It has to be a sensational camera otherwise a lot of people will be pretty disappointed.

Sent from my Aquaris X5 using Tapatalk

#3 Timoune

Timoune

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 5 posts
  • LocationHelsinki, Finland

Posted 15 February 2016 - 10:05 AM

I really hope the A99II will not be a very expensive camera such as the D5 or 1DX II.

 

Who is going to buy an expensive camera for wildlife when there is only the 300mm and 500 mm available for now? 

 

Hopefully they will just upgrade the A99 with the focus of the A77II !



#4 delewin

delewin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 90 posts
  • LocationSydney Australia

Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:42 PM

I believe Sony needs to consider their options and more importantly their competitors products when pricing the Sony A99 mk2. By this I mean:

 

1.  Both Canon and Nikon have many models of FF cameras.

2.  Because of the range of models, they have the ability to set prices accordingly. That is High price for a high end model, etc.

3.  All FF Canon lenses fit all Canon interchangeable lens cameras. Likewise for Nikon.

 

4.  Sony on the other hand has very few FF camera models and these are split over two different lens mounts.

5.  The FE mount cameras now appear to have a complete but basic range of lenses from Sony as well as a good set of prime lenses from other manufactures.

6.  The "old" A Mount fitting the FF A850, A900, A99 have had some minor "tweaks" but nothing significant.

 

7.  The whole of the Sony User's Community expect the new A99 mk2 will eclipse both Canon and Nikon in its new technology, faster, better, etc. BUT at what price?

 

8.  IF Sony prices the A99 at the same price point or even above the high end Canon or Nikon it will effectively "kill off" more than 75% of its possible take up by its existing fan base.

 

9.  Respectfully, Sony even if you have the best product, if it is TOO Expensive, very few will buy it. 

 

10. As a guide, look at the take up numbers of both Nikon and Canon for their latest top of the line models and compare these figures against the take up of the A7r mk2 and A7s mk2. I believe the "sweet" spot for best sales and penetration into the camera market is no more than the current cost of the A7r mk2 body.

 

Profit is a combination of price and volume. By going for volume you guarantee further spin off sales of associated Sony gear. As you well know, the cost of the camera body is the least of the overall commitment over time.

 

So my message is clear. Build market share first. Profits will automatically follow.

 

Thank you,



#5 Colorado

Colorado

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 80 posts

Posted 16 February 2016 - 10:04 PM

Sorry I do not agree. The next gen A99 does not and will not compete with the A6300 or any of the G master lens. I can't see Sony holding off on the A99 replacement to draw out the spotlight. It may have to do with production or tech issues but not any earlier releases.

#6 Guest_all8_*

Guest_all8_*
  • Guests

Posted 16 February 2016 - 10:08 PM

Could I mount a Canon or Nikon lens on this next gen A99?



#7 delewin

delewin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 90 posts
  • LocationSydney Australia

Posted 17 February 2016 - 12:12 AM

Hi @timde,

 

If the A99 mk2 uses the same SLT configuration as the A99 mk1 the answer is no, it will not be able to mount Canon or Nikon lenses.

 

The reason the A7 mirrorless bodies can is all to do with the design focal distance beyond the rear mount of the lenses. That is, there is room for an adaptor to fit in between the A7 series and the Canon/Nikon lens. The location of the Sensor relative to the Amount does not allow for a lens adaptor to be inserted in between and have the Canon or Nikon lens still work.

 

The only way this would be possible in a A99 mk2 is if Sony moved the sensor to the front of the body and made it mirror-less, just like the A7 series. Then all the A mount lenses would not work. So to have both options available the Sensor would have to be able to be located in 2 positions. Sony will not do this for a number of valid reasons.

 

A moveable Sensor would be a really radical redevelopment and worthy of a completely new name series. 

 

My expectations regarding the specs of the A99 mk2 is that it will have :

1.  the latest high tech Sony sensor (42 MP or higher?)

2.  IBIS

3.  possibly AF points across virtually the whole sensor.

4.  High continuous frame rate using the latest SDXC UHS-2 or even 3 spec.

5.  4K @60FPS

 

Maybe

6.  2 SDXC card slots

7.  WiFi allowing full remote control (Yes Please.)

8.  USB continuous power mode allowing the use of external battery packs

 

Regards,

David



#8 Guest_all8_*

Guest_all8_*
  • Guests

Posted 17 February 2016 - 05:49 AM

So if Sony released an "A9", which was similar in function to the A99 (and many of the points from your list), but with an E-Mount, and a further improved adapter for A-Mount lenses (like they have done recently, but even better) ... then that would definitely be an interesting platform for lots more people than just A-Mount lens owners?


  • Cojo and psdigital like this

#9 delewin

delewin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 90 posts
  • LocationSydney Australia

Posted 18 February 2016 - 03:30 AM

Hi @timde,

In short. Yes.

But the A Mount adaptor must be significantly improved. I have seen videos of the A7r2 with the LEA3 and the A Mount Sony 70-200G mk2 and at wide open aperture in movie mode it cannot track in focus even slow moving objects in good light. :( 

 

The success of using Alpha A Mount lenses on the mirrorless A7 or later FF series bodies will be based on the quality and effectiveness of the adaptor.



#10 Guest_all8_*

Guest_all8_*
  • Guests

Posted 18 February 2016 - 06:14 AM

Yes, the A6300 shows some interesting progress in those areas, which makes me wonder if Sony will release a new FF Platform sometime soon that keeps everyone somewhat happy  :D



#11 D700

D700

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 64 posts

Posted 26 February 2016 - 12:41 PM

It doesn't make sense to provide APS-C and FF systems for two bajonets.

Sony should focus on one platform only!

Which one this will be, is really clear now ...



#12 delewin

delewin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 90 posts
  • LocationSydney Australia

Posted 27 February 2016 - 04:38 AM

Hi @D700,

 

Reluctantly, I agree. The advantages of the mirrorless system is too hard for Sony to ignore:

 

1. Able to use 3rd party adapters to fit 3rd party lenses to the Sony body. This is the biggest and most significant advantage. From a market penetration view, it is brilliant.

2. Able to use a Sony adapter to use legacy Sony Alpha mount glass.

3. Growing list of FE mount fast primes and Zooms. (It is only a matter of time before all legacy lens sizes will be replaced by the equivalent or better in FE mount.)

 

So, the only unanswered question is "What is Sony's long term plans for the Alpha A mount bodies, such as the A99?"

 

I reluctantly only see one likely outcome.:(

 

That is there may be one or two more A mount lens body produced aimed at the professional user with very deep pockets.

 

The rest of us will be forced to move over to a mirrorless body like the A7r mk2 or its replacement.



#13 danmleephoto

danmleephoto

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 45 posts
  • LocationBrooklyn, NY

Posted 27 February 2016 - 05:37 PM

Im desperate for the A99II; personally I'd mortgage my house to buy one if its a stella camera. Itchy for one the last year.

 

E-Mount has issues for professionals, battery life, one SD card slot, no super zoom or 400mm prime lenses, without them I can see myself using them outside the studio too much I'm sorry to say.


  • Colorado, psdigital and snap like this

#14 delewin

delewin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 90 posts
  • LocationSydney Australia

Posted 27 February 2016 - 09:33 PM

Hi @danmleephoto

 

All us A700, A850, A900,  A55, A58, A65, A77 (1 & 2) and A99 (apologies if I have missed out any others) users are in the same boat. We all want to take advantage of the huge advances in Sony sensor / AF / low light / etc technology.

 

We feel "left out in the cold".

 

I feel Sony should provide us with a proper time line.

 

That way we can decide whether to wait or move to the A7 series or the A6300 if we wish to stay with the APS-C sencor

 

It is being kept in the dark that is so frustrating. :(


  • snap likes this

#15 D700

D700

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 64 posts

Posted 29 February 2016 - 06:59 PM

Hi @D700,

 

Reluctantly, I agree. The advantages of the mirrorless system is too hard for Sony to ignore:

 

1. Able to use 3rd party adapters to fit 3rd party lenses to the Sony body. This is the biggest and most significant advantage. From a market penetration view, it is brilliant.

2. Able to use a Sony adapter to use legacy Sony Alpha mount glass.

3. Growing list of FE mount fast primes and Zooms. (It is only a matter of time before all legacy lens sizes will be replaced by the equivalent or better in FE mount.)

 

So, the only unanswered question is "What is Sony's long term plans for the Alpha A mount bodies, such as the A99?"

 

Was it Australila, where A-Mount Sales is still discontinued?

Why should Sony build a new niche market A99II SLT dinosaur? (If it is stlill not developed since years)

They have a lot of great and successfull E-Mount bodies plus matching adapters for existing APS-C and FF A-Lenses!

Time will tell ...



#16 danmleephoto

danmleephoto

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 45 posts
  • LocationBrooklyn, NY

Posted 01 March 2016 - 01:50 AM

Hi @danmleephoto

 

All us A700, A850, A900,  A55, A58, A65, A77 (1 & 2) and A99 (apologies if I have missed out any others) users are in the same boat. We all want to take advantage of the huge advances in Sony sensor / AF / low light / etc technology.

 

We feel "left out in the cold".

 

I feel Sony should provide us with a proper time line.

 

That way we can decide whether to wait or move to the A7 series or the A6300 if we wish to stay with the APS-C sencor

 

It is being kept in the dark that is so frustrating. :(

I did get to speak to some Sony bods a while back (Im ex Sony) at PhotoPlus in NY, and was told something is coming but that was left at that, no matter how much I tasered them, no joy.

 

I have bought A7RII and A7II - nothing like my A99 though :/


  • psdigital likes this

#17 snap

snap

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 1 posts

Posted 03 March 2016 - 12:11 PM

In response to the SAR post  "SPOTTED- SONY CEO TESTING NEW NIKON DSLR" he's about to be joined by this long suffering Sony A series photographer. As a pro user who was actually pretty happy with the a77- a99 series, I can't see myself working with the A7's, despite their new tech and numerous features.

 

Simply, I'm about done. Sony have left us hanging for too long. Bag it all up, send me a Nikon :-((

 

*sigh*


  • CSchmidt likes this

#18 molan

molan

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 66 posts

Posted 07 March 2016 - 02:48 PM

I am impressed you still think A-mount will see any new ground breaking cameras, Sony is a company and as a company they will bet on the marked bring in profit.

 

The profit comes from E-mount, and thanks to adapters Sony have "not forsaken" their A-mount customers because they have E-mount as an upgrade path (provided you don't shoot sports and is rich).

 

I want IBIS so I'll use my A-mount until it breaks, however I won't buy any more A-mount products - E-mount is the future let's face it, and we can reuses our lenses for a more smooth transition. Eventually Sony will make E-mount for sports and wildlife as well, all we need to do is pay premium prices for the native E-mount products since Sigma* won't make FE lenses and Tamron is out of E-mount as well.

 

*Sigma have stop A-mount releases as well, so more new Sigma lenses for us. However, Sigma lenses can be uses on E-mount via there new Canon/Sigma mount to E-mount adapter.



#19 adibasco

adibasco

    Newbie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 3 posts

Posted 07 March 2016 - 09:56 PM

I really like my A7rii but equally love my A Mount lenses.  Even more than an A99vii, I wish Sony came out with a LEA5 adapter which supported both Screw Drive and Motor Driven A Mount lenses, did away with the Mirror, and bring in full FE lens compatibility like the Sigma MC11 (like Auto Eye Focus). 


  • Fonk, storyteller and psdigital like this

#20 geetee1972

geetee1972

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 22 posts

Posted 09 March 2016 - 12:09 PM

You have a good point there adibasco. It's quite interesting that Sigma is about to release an adapter that gives greater focus functionality to the Sigma and Canon mount lenses than Son'y own product will do with A-Mount lenses.





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: A99, FF, A99 mk2, Professional DSLR

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

 
x

New Members Welcome!

Not yet registered? Really?

Registration is free and takes only a few minutes.

After the free registration you can discuss with members from all over the world, put questions and present your images.

We are looking forward to you!

Admin Andreas und Sony Alpha Forum Team

Register now! X